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resolved What namespace should Dropout be in? Web Original
So you may know that last August CollegeHumor officially rebranded as Dropout, like the streaming service they've run since 2018. I've moved their page on this wiki over to Dropout along with the subpages since it was about time. However, when I was indexing Dropout in the Other Sites index, I put it under Platforms and that got me thinking "Should I have made the Dropout page under Platform instead of Creator?". To be fair when the rebrand first happened the Platform namespace didn't exist yet so it was always in the back of my mind to use the Creator namespace for their page.
Since Dropout is also production company that makes their own shows, would it still be appropriate to keep them in Creator like Netflix, Hulu etc. or should it be in Platform since they're yet another digital platform? I don't mind having to replace all the wicks I've put out so far if I end up moving it to Platform.
resolved Can Hypocrite apply to the author of a work or just its characters? Web Original
For instance, say the author of a work clearly in an author's note expresses contempt for a certain trope or story beat, but then in the work itself they use that same trope or story beat straight without irony or deconstruction when necessary to suit the narrative.
EDIT: If not, is there a more appropriate trope to use?
Edited by RaxisopenComments As Moments on Webvideo pages Web Original
I've noticed that there are a few moments pages for youtube series (mostly funny moments) where some of the moments listed are comments on one of their videos instead of anything from the video itself. Wouldn't those technically count as meta moments, or at least not count as actual content from the show itself?
Edited by AfterwordopenNew Media Page Web Original
Hey, I just made a new Media Page for the Youtube creator, Pointy Hat. It can be found here:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/PointyHat
It's very bare-bones right now, and I don't have time to edit the whole thing so would anybody like to help? I already started the Main Page, as well as a Nightmare Fuel Page, but I want there to be a Funny Page as well.
Thanks!
Edited by FireBreathingSnapDragonresolved Potential edit war? Web Original
On this page of this RWBY episode:
- Super N 9999 added a "Nice Job Fixing It Villain!" entry about Neo.
- gjjones deemed it as potential misuse, so they took it down.
- SuperN9999 re-adds it back, with the justification of the entry being present in Neo's character page, despite reiterating that it was previously removed due to misuse.
Do we have a concrete Edit War here?
Edited by skan123openHow long does it take until a video example is reviewed and submitted? Web Original
So I submitted a video example for "Body Sled" on Tuesday, and it still is awaiting review today. How long does it take till a video example is reviewed?
openIs Jeff the Killer in the public domain? What about other creepypastas besides the Fear Mythos? Web Original
I was wondering if Jeff is copyrighted since Creepypasta Files Wikia says that Jeff belongs to Sessuer, yet a lot of people say that, besides the image of unknown origin, he has no confirmed author. I'm asking because I was thinking on including him on the Public Domain Character page.
I was also wondering if there are other creepypastas with no defined author or purposely put in the PD like the fears from The Fear Mythos and The Rake.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15openPage creation Web Original
Hey, I’m thinking of making a media page for either Thorgi’s arcade, or the fakemon creator tubz_az on instagram. How would I make a page in general?
resolved Adding an entry to Sugar Wiki Web Original
I've been wondering how to add an entry to Sugar Wiki. Specifically, I've been wanting to create a Sugar Wiki counterpart to Villainous Travel Agency on the Darth Wiki.
I am allowed to create a page for it instantly, or do I have to talk the idea over with mods first?
openTomska and the Somerton Scale Web Original
This probably isn't the right place for this, but here goes. Tomska recently made a video where he presents the "Somerton Scale", a scale to measure the level of plagiarism in a work. I can't help nut think that it would fit in the helpful resources catagory, with his permission and credit obviously. What do you think? Should it be given a page?
openChikn Nuggit and Weblinks in Examples Web Original
The Funny and Heartwarming Moments subpages for Chikn Nuggit feature examples that implement weblinks. Sadly, in numerous cases, this is at the expense of context. Each example should stand on its own; the reader shouldn't be expected to view every relevant short just so they can understand why something is silly or sweet. Such examples, as far as I know, are in violation of Weblinks Are Not Examples. Also, examples that do provide proper context make the weblinks redundant.
I've already commented out two examples on the Heartwarming subpage for blatantly lacking sufficient context, but I feel more in-depth cleanup may be in order and would appreciate any assistance. For instance, would a Short-Term Project thread help?
openNorms around article subject changing medium Web Original
A few years ago, I made a page for my work RealmMeshReality. I then proceeded to fall off of TV Tropes, during which time I converted RMR into a book. I now have a few questions. The ones I can think of now (which may be all of them) are:
- Does it belong at Literature/RealmMeshReality now, and if so, how do I move it there?
- What's the usual protocol on mentioning this in the lede (e.g. "In 2022, he converted this into a book like so")?
- The move from a wiki into a book also involved an adjustment of the canon. Consequently, an estimated ~20 of the tropes now pertain at least partially to now non-canonical content. Is there a general protocol on how that affects the article's content (no mention of the Retcon, brief mention in the lede, splitting into canon/non-canon sub-folders, etc.)?
resolved Launching a Work in General Web Original
I stumbled upon this animated short here:
https://youtu.be/RubSLGTrdOA?si=IJrngDNumbufTsX6
If I do have the time, how would I launch this as a Work to be viewed?
Do I launch it like Tropes, or something different is needed?
openYoga with adriene page Web Original
I just noticed that the Yoga With Adriene series page got cut for apparently being a stub.
Would it be okay to recreate the page in the future if more examples were added to the page to make it into a full page?
openDisagreement about the Awesome/BobChipman page, don't want to risk an Edit War Web Original
Not too long ago, a troper called 309216364 (is that the ID of an already-banned troper or something?) deleted the single biggest entry on this page, about Bob's massive "Really That Bad" video series on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, which I will post here:
- During Part 1 of his Really That Bad analysis of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Bob makes a comparison between the narrative structures of The Avengers (2012) and Batman V. Superman stripped of all but their most basic elements that underlines one of the main reasons the former succeeded where the latter failed: Avengers is straightforward, easy to understand and can be enjoyed without prior knowledge of the source comics or the preceding films because it doesn't lean on them to work as a narrative with its single Sequel Hook a post-credits shot of the Greater-Scope Villain, while BvS is a disjointed, convoluted mess that doesn't follow an understandable through-line narrative, paradoxically wants to differentiate itself from the source comics yet relies heavily on them for most of its emotional weight to carry and desperately tries to set up future films through gratuitous in-universe viewings of preview trailers. And he does all of this while giving every person or object with enough plot relevance a funny nickname, with plenty of Actor Allusions and character comparisons to go around.
- The entirety of his "Batman V. Superman" Really That Bad analysis. Chipman delivers his critique in a mature respectful tone, without insulting the filmmakers personally, and goes into detail acknowledging and addressing common arguments in defense of the film.
- Two of the best things he does is to effectively and succinctly fix the movie's greatest problems.
- The first being the 'Diana/Wonder Woman watching the teaser trailer for the Justice League scene', wherein Bob proposes letting Batman, the normal human who is discovering a lot of this new information for the first time, and whose perspective the audience has been following the entire movie, be the one to discover the existence of more metahumans. This not only gives the scene greater suspense and dramatic weight and a greater impetus for Batman to fight a perceived threat like Superman, it also gives a fantastic reason why Diana never showed up for a hundred years and was breaking into Lex Luthor's drives: She was helping cover up the existence of metahumans (and her secretive race) from people like Luthor.
- The second is the entire 'conflict' of the movie being forced and contrived and way too repetitive by the time the two people in the 'V' actually get down to versus-ing each other. Bob fixes the movie without any drastic overhaul or extensive retooling with two simple words: No Batman. The plot remains the same, with all the conspiratorial machinations and the populace distrusting Superman kept intact, but transfer all of Batman's actions and motivations to Luthor, thereby making Luthor a sympathetic, justified, heroic counterpoint to the detached, reluctant, destructive Superman, which would have greater thematic resonance and streamline the plot. For an added bonus, Bob suggests keeping Ben Affleck, with all his likability and charisma and on-the-ground heroism, as Luthor, which would provide even greater metanarrative implications and make the plot more compelling.
- To make what can only be described as a near definitive 3-part, four hour critique about Dawn of Justice, all the while maintaining his normal work responsibilities, is a feat of dedication that can only really be described as impressive.
As well as forgetting to delete the next paragraph that followed on from that (an observation about Bob possibly doing a "Really That Good" series on The Lord of the Rings) and leaving it orphaned, his reason for deleting the entire segment basically came down to "I don't think it's awesome and I don't like Bob". His cited reason from the History page:
Apart from the fact that this reason for removing the entry is entirely subjective (I thought "Really That Bad" was awesome, and I'm not even the one who wrote the original entry), it's also blatantly incorrect- there are several segments in Bob's series where he goes out of his way to be fair to the film and admit the things it did well and the ways it could have worked (even though it didn't), so the troper's claim that "he is entirely biased against the film in all aspects" suggests he edited it solely because of He Panned It Now He Sucks.
I could have just restored the edit myself, but I'm quite certain the guy will just delete it again, triggering an edit war situation. And since the last time I got close to an edit war I nearly got myself permanently banned, I'm not even going to get close to the possibility of it happening again. So I'm hoping there's some way to get a 3rd party judgement on this?
Edited by ArcaneAzmadiopenPossible vandalism? Web Original
It looks like a troper named Mahzui had completely blanked the trope list for the page Revenge Films except for a few select tropes, all of which have had their descriptions removed. It's such a weird thing, I'm not sure what's to do about it.
I found a link with more fanmade Twilight Queens but i don't know where to add them on the Supplementary Courts Page the fansplat section says not to add things that aren't on the Main Web Page. Should i add them to the Dusk Queens section or add another section altogether and if so what should i name it?
Edited by Muppet